If you find one, you find a group cos like attracts attracts like.
When I’m having beers with my buddies we mostly talk about sports, sometimes work and random other bullshit like movies and such.
It’s actually very rare for dudes to discuss felonies they’ve committed.
And if they do discuss it it’s because it was decades ago, nearly everyone involved is now old as fuck or dead, and it’s always murder.
I think the sign is pointing to women’s claims of sexual assault not being believed by default and men’s claims of innocence being trusted by default.
Ah yes. Why the fuck should we have due process.
Guy: talks about how unproblematic he and his buddies are.
Me: Checks inside.
It’s all him puffing himself up about shit he doesn’t know about and bitching about the woke left.
I’m sure you’re very good at detecting dangerous men in your family and friend group.
Do you honestly think men come with tell-tale signs of being a rapist or a sexual assaulter? I knew my best friend for half a decade, and despite his left-leaning views and overall progressiveness, he still did some shit to me–another gay man–while I slept and without my consent.
I mean, should we apply your logic to sexual assault victims, too? “You should’ve known! Didn’t you hang out with him all week?” Of course not, people mask, and there’s noise in trying to make that judgment. What is this line of thinking, honestly?
So much writing when you obviously didn’t read it. I’m making fun of a chud for acting like they’d even care if a man seemed dangerous. Yes, conservative men are significantly less likely to be conscious of rape culture. No, being into socialism doesn’t inocculate you from being a bad person.
You guys are so committed to delivering the redditor experience that I’m gonna ignore you now.
Edit: Rape culture depends on men not challenging the overtly harmful values and attitudes of other men. It persists exactly because men don’t hold their friends accountable for their behaviour. Men are not taught to identify this behaviour effectively and are statistically unlikely to challenge it as they fear social ostracization (especially if they subscribe to hegemonic masculinity willingly) Want to make this clear in case there is one person on here who isn’t a smug incel because of my nagging sense of responsibility in the misinformation cesspit this sub obviously is.
You’re making fun of someone under a false premise, and that’s my entire point.
I’m gonna ignore you now.
Please do. Block if you can find the button.
Not every anecdote is an attempt to get praise.
It bothers me that anyone pointing to the majority of men who are not rapists, is getting branded as a rape apologist.
As a guy, I can say with certainty that I’ve never been involved in, nor known about anyone who was the perpetrator of rape.
I firmly believe that the perpetrators, specifically the male perpetrators of rape, if they tell anyone, they say it as a regular sexual encounter. Ladies, we don’t go into details taking about who did what in the bedroom. The most I’ve ever heard from any guy about their sexual exploits, is that they happened “I banged her” (or similar), and sometimes a quip about the experience or the person, eg: “it was great” or “she’s a freak (in bed)” or similar.
The reason we don’t know that the people we know are rapists, is because they’re not coming out and telling us about it. I promise, if they did, they wouldn’t be free for long. They’d either end up in jail, or beaten bloody by the majority of us (or worse).
Generally we just don’t say much about what happens in the bedroom, to eachother.
Agreed.
I am a man and I am a victim of repeated child sexual abuse. It has broken me forever. While I don’t feel comfortable explaining what effects it had on me, let’s say that I’ll never be a normal functioning person because of what was done to me.
To what you said I would like to add that some of us are victims too and being generalized and then labeled as rapists or apologists is so fucking triggering, it’s actually madening. The idea of being associated with my perpetrator is intolerable.
I get it that sexual misconducts are more prevalent in men, but something like 1 in 6 boys will experience some sort of sexual abuse. That is a shitton of victims being labeled as rapist apologists.
Anyways, like you, I think we can have this discussion without aggressively accusing all members of a given gender.
Especially lately with all the Epstein stuff being discussed, I’m sure I’m not the only one feeling trapped in a constant spiral of flashbacks and stuck in a non-stop dissociated state especially that there is no accountability in sight.
In any cases, let’s have compassion for all the victims no matter their gender or sex and let’s focus our anger toward the abusers.
I don’t think it’s possible for me to agree with you more.
I will only add the I empathize with you and all of the other victims regardless of gender. Please know that you are valued for who you are, not what has happened to you.
Be well.
Yeah, the notion that any man is ever informing anyone he knows that he imposed his sexual will on a woman without her consent, is patently absurd.
It bothers me that anyone has ould bother to point out not all men are rapists. We aren’t talking about or to you. Why do you feel the need to say something that everyone knows?
Its because on some level, these people know that people like them have done bad shit and they want to defend themselves.
It ain’t about you dickhead.
But it is. Because I see time and time again in the comments here that if I’m male, I’m either an apologist, or a rapist. This thread has disenfranchised an entire gender.
I have all the empathy in the world for victims. I am not one of them, nor am I a perpetrator. I would, quite readily, turn in any person I know if they were a self admitted rapist. Moreover, I would entrap them by recording their confession, and submit it as evidence against them.
I don’t wish to diminish the point made in the OP, it’s important to recognize the victims of rape. The fact is, the perpetrators are not exactly bragging about raping someone, so they don’t exactly stand out. If they did, they wouldn’t remain a free person.
I get the point in the OP, but the comments here have been extremely toxic, branding every man who replies as either a rapist or an apologist.
It’s disgusting that someone would regard an entire gender as one, or the other. Many of us don’t know if we even know anyone who has committed the crime, and never thought about it beyond the fact that it’s a bad thing to happen… These bystanders are now apologists?
Your victim complex is massive my guy. The reason people shit on you for saying this is because the act of saying it implies it needs to be said. You don’t even read your criticism but you assume it isn’t constructive because you imagine it isn’t.
Once again because obviously you don’t like reading: It does not fucking matter if most men aren’t rapists when overwhelmingly most rapists are men and most men do not challenge rape culture. That does make most men dangerous for women. Reconcile that with your experiences.
Right now, you are an example of how men make themselves a problem by not even considering they’re wrong because they’re insecure about being a man. Nobody is fucking saying men don’t get victimized, they are correctly identifying that nearly 100% of cases of sexual violence is directed at women and the vast majority of men are complacent in a culture that perpetuates that violence. Making it about you because you don’t like the association of manhood with sexual violence is in fact detrimental to discourses that seek to acknowledge sexual violence at all.
You DENSE mother fucker.
It does not fucking matter if most men aren’t rapists when overwhelmingly most rapists are men
How can you unironically write this while calling anyone else dense? This is equivalent to arguing that all fruits are apples, because all apples are fruits.
Do you sink in mercury?
the vast majority of men are complacent [toward rape]
That’s a lie, though. You’re lying. Your deep sexism against men has led you to assume a total lack of humanity and empathy in half of the world’s population. You’ve dehumanized them so profoundly that the very act of a male contradicting your prejudice infuriates you enough to double down while calling him a “DENSE mother fucker”.
For shame.
You realize the image implies men covering up for other men right?
Do you think men just talk to each other about all the felonies they committed?
Then stop saying all men are rapists. Stop treating men like theyre all rapists. Stop implying that if I knew my friend was a rapist, he would still be breathing.
I hate rapists as much as everyone else, so why is it constantly being portrayed as though I’m evil and deserve to be treated as a danger just because im a guy?
This sign exclusively implies that men cover for other men. I do not and would not cover for a rapist. Theres a valid point to be made about men and rape, and this sign completely misses it.
No one but you has brought to this conversation the concept that “All men are rapists” and it’s confounding that you don’t understand how much of a stereotype you’re being coming into a women’s space to shout “not all men”.
It’s also a complete misunderstanding of the point women are making there. We don’t believe that every single man is a rapist. Society has this regressive belief that a rapist is always going to be a nasty, creepy, criminal, awful man and that it would be completely obvious to any bystander that there’s something wrong with this dude and to stay away. But that just isn’t the case. So, it’s a warning to women that any man could be a rapist. Even if they’re a respected member of their community, a judge, a politician, a movie producer, etc.
The other thing is the sign is using the word rapist here, but there are also many, many, many other forms of sexual assault, abuse and harassment and I can almost guarantee that you and most men have excused something in the past. My state actually made an amazing PSA about this a few years back now. Because there are so many acts that make women scared, or uncomfortable, that so many men just pretend doesn’t happen.
I’d also like to point out that it’s super ironic that you don’t seem to understand the fallacy of your own hubris. You’ve walked into an explicitly women’s space, to yell at women, about how it’s “Not All Men”, without consent. Maybe you and the other men in this thread should sit with that for a bit?
Its because on some level, these people know that people like them have done bad shit and they want to defend themselves.
We already know the truth about this guy. Just block him.
Can you please explain your chain of logic here?
You didn’t have to tell us you are a man, it was obvious. What you just did is provide a great example of why we need better education on gender based and sexual violence.
Firstly, there is almost a complete certainty that you know a rapist and may even be friendly with one. The overwhelming majority of sexual violence perpetrators are men and that violence is facilitated through the nuclear family model and social ostricization of men who challenge rape culture.
I have had multiple women in different generations of my family disclose sexual violence from men beloved by dozens of people who were none the wiser. I have sat at tables where men make jokes about getting women drunk on purpose like it doesn’t reflect lived experiences only for other men to laugh along enthusiastically or nervously. I have been in classes where men discuss harassing women in the workplace without it being challenged. I could not name the amount of friends I’ve lost when I challenge them on their views, all of them have been men. Every one of those personal experiences reflects statistical data we have on sexual violence rates and rape culture reproduction.
You seem to have this fantasy that rapists are men who jump out of the darkness to prey on strangers, but they’re your friends and family who prey on those you know. They do talk about it, all the time. Whether they’re talking about the act of rape or why rape is okay, they talk about it. You cannot insulate yourself from this culture without abandoning the responsibility to challenge it.
When you say shit like, “not all men,” you’re admitting to an insecurity you have about the potential injustice of rape accusations and the association between manhood and sexual violence. Too bad, you’re in it and have to choose to challenge it or continue to participate through inaction. The fear of false rape accusations is almost completely unfounded in a world where women face consequences for reporting and convictions of sexual assault are so difficult to get. False convictions are so statistically rare and acting like they arent shows that you value your comfort more than believing victims. Men are the vast majority of rapists and most women have experienced gender based or sexual violence at one point in their lives. As long as they exist in a culture where that violence will most likely come from men and most men do not challenge it, manhood will be associated with sexual violence. When you say that if a cartoon rapist should ever appear you’ll give’em a wollop, you’re subscribing to an imagination of sexual violence that obscures the reality of its frequency and potential vectors. You’re telling the women around you that you do not care about what they experience and only think of rape as a vector for you to fulfill the masculine fantasy of violently punishing a rapist to protect the poor, helpless women.
This is all of course ignoring your fundamental misunderstanding of what rape is when you discuss it as though it’s a form of sex. There is no discussion to be had about whether men kiss and tell about rape because rape is not sex. It is about violence and power. It happens at high rates in highly patriarchal societies exactly because of the brutal hierarchy of power that must be maintained for that patriarchy to exist.
I don’t care if most men don’t rape, most rapists are men and the greatest resistance we get to challenging rape culture is from men. If that bothers you, learn.
Congratulations! You just alienated a fuckton of potential allies with that speech. No, most of us don’t feel any kind of group obligation. As a matter of fact, we are sick and tired of being told by society “fix this, fix that”.
So now, most of us are a sort of zen nihilist. We give a shit, sometimes.
Username suggests this is satirical but comment history is inconsistent with that theme.
Just in case: “Alienating” people who are already not interested enough to change isn’t a loss. You don’t focus on reaching those people, you make them too uncomfortable to be vocal. It’s why eco activists don’t give a shit if a boomer is mad about them blocking traffic, their goal is to make sure the boomer can’t drive home in comfort. Comfortable people are the lifeblood of this system.
The rest I don’t think people will care about enough to respond to like, yeah conservative and liberal men are caged by individualism we all know that already and they never shut up about it.
Edit: i regret not making a joke about the one guy who was about to become a feminist sex-activist and assassinate Donald Trump but saw the meanie queer online say that men need to be better and then he just gave it all up and signed up for rape school.
My experience tells me arguing here isn’t worth it.
Now THAT seems satirical, only a fool would think internet arguments aren’t productive…
You are throwing stray shots, alienating everyone of a certain gender by essentially accusing them of being tolerant of rapists. Also going out of your way to cast as large of a net as possible, by making a vague statement about violence being rape.
The people who are reading this are strangers, and not buddy bud with you. They have their job, their responsibilities, their own worries.
Either you are unreasonable on purpose, or baiting. Either way, it’s not worth it for me to argue when I have my own worries and male SH to deal with in the morning.
It’s not worth it.
Times like this, remind me of the boy who cried wolf.
Oh no, a potential feminist sex-activist saw the meanie queer online and will no longer assassinate Donald Trump. Why did I have to be such a meanie oooh the hubris and righteous fury!!
Edit: lookit that i got to make the joke. Seriously though, this makes men sound more fragile than I ever presented them.
congrats on not reading their comment
You guys hate it when people can read you beyond your control.
Edit: people can see who you are even if you don’t want them to. Many of you are too uncritical about your values to hide them so you say them plain without even realizing.
You haven’t read me at all. I stopped reading your reply when you started making false assumptions about me, on opinions and subjects I didn’t even mention.
You need to assume less and listen more.
Given your propensity to defend the victims of rape, I would hope you at least listen to them rather than make wild assumptions about their lived experiences.
Do not presume to know me. Do not put words in my mouth.
tldr
So, this is a fun one:
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A rapist often has more than one victim.
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Someone who disclosed to one person may well have disclosed to many.
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Rapists tend not to self-disclose.
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The definition of rape is badly established between both parties (it’s an absolute minefield).
What you end up with is lots of small factors giving the illusion of a higher frequency by counting the same predator twice among women, and you also have factors that may cause predators not to be counted by men giving the illusion of a lower frequency.
I was in the process of writing a long response that almost completely mirrored your top 2.
- 1 to many
- Self reporting
I added a clustering or self-filtering problem, basically rapists likely don’t have a lot of friends so that’s why guys would necessarily know a rapist.
And I hadn’t even considered your last point but it is indeed a valid one, although it really shouldn’t be all that different.
It definitely shouldn’t, but out there is a man who thinks torturing consent out of someone isn’t rape, and a woman who thinks refusing to marry after sex is rape.
Between those two extremes (and beyond them!) is every shade of definition, and the lines vary by nation and culture. This is not a statement condoning this, it is a sad one of fact.
(Edit, even in this very thread is someone who thinks rape is defined by not agreeing with them!)
The definition of rape is badly established between both parties
Well, you had me right up to this point. But the “how was I supposed to know?” shit is consistently said by the worst creeps.
You just reaffirmed what they said.
There are rapists that don’t think it’s rape.
It is indeed, your point?
My reply was to answer the question asked, not to take a moral stance.
The pawblem is that it’s not just the worst creeps though. There are plenty of men, and even some women, who will say it’s not rape if:
- She didn’t say no
- She’s a sex worker
- They’re married
- He stealths (even if they agree that’s wrong, calling it rape seems to be “taking it too far” for many)
There are plenty more examples I can think of but these are the most common in my opinion. Maybe you can make the argument that people that don’t see these as rape are also the “worst creeps”. However, it still follows OC’s point that the definition isn’t universal in a way where less men will know a rapist then women.
And why is he so comitted to getying women to let our guard down without men changing any behaviors?
Could it be…
Are you serious
This is some grade A rape apologia right here. Thank you, mr. Von rapeington.
I believe the word you’re looking for is an “explanation” as requested by the OP
That illustrates another controversial point that inflates perception of numbers - false accusation. A crime you, yourself, have just committed (the women you’ve harmed in doing so would like to take this time to not thank you).
I hesitated to mention it since it often falls under (4), but your example clearly differentiates here as you’re making malicious use of the statement to further your own ideological goals because a random person on the internet said something you disagreed with.
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Rapists know they’d be punished and/or shunned if they spoke of their crimes, so they don’t talk about it.
Victims on the other hand are encouraged to seek help; talking through the trauma as a means of coping and healing.
It only makes sense the victim would be more commonly known about than the offender.
On top of that; a rapist is more likely to have created multiple victims, it’s not just a 1:1 comparison.
This is the most logical conclusion.
Although I will say, I’ve met people that openly admitted to terrible behavior. Not rape, but very shitty things nontheless.
And when I hear someone admit to shitty behavior, I tend to distance myself from them long before they get to the point of admitting rape or any other form of SA.
Yep. Nobody goes full bore with their darkest secrets to strangers. Similar to racism, they do dogwhistles and jokes for a while before they would risk admitting more nefarious beliefs to someone who might judge or out them publicly.
Exactly, that’s why we have to end the punitive and carceral ‘justice’ system that doesn’t work and move to a restorative and transformative justice system instead.
This would lead to less harm over time as it would not only remove the conditions that make people fear speaking out about their abuse, but also lead to teaching people not to abuse in the first place.
The reason why such things happen is because of abuse growing up and a lack of education on how to go about having good relationships with others, gender roles and toxic relationships with those who are supposed to care for us is a huge problem and the current system is incapable of dealing with, catching and changing these problems because they simply put do not wish the status quo to change, it benefits them.
If the power in society was not put with ‘parents’ and allowed communities to catch, educate and modify such behaviour and remove children from such situations over time it would lower such problems. The current system does not seek to deal with the root causes, it only punishes long after any such harm and bad lessons have been taught which clearly does not work.
That’s why we need restorative and transformative justice to remove the core power dynamics in relationships and throughout society which lead to such things, it wouldn’t be overnight, but then the current system clearly doesn’t know how to nor does it wish to get rid of these things and so it isn’t ever going to deal with them.
The only proper way to deal with a rapist, is they must be removed from society, by any means necessary. Certain groups cannot be tolerated, no matter how forgiving a society.
Disagree.
You think rape is forgivable?
I think that’s up to the victim/survivor.
I do not think that reducing it down to always throw the person out no matter what is a good solution. I think punishment to that degree should always be a last resort, and we should work on dealing with the systems that allow such things to happen and give such people therapy, and make sure the variables such as entitlement, the patriarchy, and abuse etc do not happen.
We should give people the emotional tools to deal with rejection and safe people/spaces they can go to without judgement if they have done things or want to do things so they can work through it.
At the same time I believe we should also give victims/survivors (or potential ones) more control and power in this system so they can fight such people off and not be punished for it.
My goal and desire is for a society where people are taught not to do such things in the first place and gave the ability to deal with no etc. However, in the mean time it’s clear a transition is needed and punishing and locking people up clearly does not prevent it, so let’s try something better which might have a chance of reducing and eventually eliminating such actions.
I wish you luck with that then. It’s more likely for society to go in the direction of harsh punishments for lesser things instead.
Thank you. Yeah, it’ll be a long road full of twists and turns, but we’ll get there eventually.
One person can ve raped multiple times by multiple people too. Numbers could be equivalent.
But also youre completely missing the fuckung point. I think on purpose.
We also have to consider that maybe rape victims and rapists have a different number of acquaintances. And there’s association effects, too. If someone is a nice person I’d expect it more likely they know a rape victim than a rapist, regardless of gender.
I always feel like there’s always been a ‘wrong side of the tracks’ mentality. You’re not wrong, but the biggest rape caravan is in charge of the US federal government, pretty popular. Even this isn’t as much a matter of left and right, so much as up and down.
Wait do I know a rapist if I’m familiar with the idea of Donald Trump from the news? Or do I have to have met them?
I think this about about being in a rapist’s trusted circle.
Wait so the woman in the meme is condemning men for not being in a rapist’s trusted circle?
Personally I hope the men in my life aren’t friends with rapists
It’s accusing men of being passive observers and not speaking up about rapists that they know about, but the statistics don’t really imply most men know rapists.
I think mostly categorically, doesn’t have to be any one person, but having a class of people quite clearly in control and also part of the rapist coalition is telling
Probably because most rapists are repeat offenders which makes more rape victims than rapists, if I had to give a legitimate guess. That and non-rapists tending not to associate with people they know are rapists.
Well, rapists don’t brag about it probably, but women will talk to each other for support.
You think Trump and his friends didn’t talk about what they did? The same guy that can’t keep his mouth shut about anything? The same guy that has to constantly talk about how amazing something he did was?
Unfortunately, I think they do, but only to their like-minded friends.
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Because the amount of rapist’s among the toral male population is incredibly small?
Not saying there isn’t a discussion to be had here. But this argument is moronic and goes against what it’s trying to say
Also “Do I know a rapist?” No.
Did I? At one point yeah… piece of shit is dead to me now.
I do know a rapist. Unfortunately I only found out she was a rapist when she raped me.
And the other way to know a rapist is by being an accomplice.
clearly you are forgetting the case of overhearing someone bragging
Or being secretly recorded in a bus during their campaign trail 💀
If you don’t report them after hearing them bragging, you are an accomplice.
reporting rakes effort, doing nothing does not
Not reporting a known rapist out of sheer laziness is grossly immoral
Did you know that alienating men and making them feel like bad people for things they themselves didn’t do doesn’t do anything to help anyone?
I had a good friend who turned out to have murdered his girlfriend. He did not confide that in us. We weren’t just hanging out with some guy who murdered just girlfriend because we were ok with that. All of us changed our view and opinion of this person and not a one has remained their acquaintance after it came out.
I bet I know someone who has raped someone. I wouldn’t willingly associate with them if I knew, and they’re likely not going to out themselves. I know that none of the people I know would continue to associate with someone like that if we knew.
People hide shit, people do awful things, othering and hating only makes out groups and creates greater rifts.
This picture makes a pretty good point BUT when lodged as a bomb at half the population it’s like punching a lifeguard in the mouth.
That is some next level rape apologist shit.
Care to elaborate?
You immediately open with not every man is a rapist. Well duh, but this is exactly what rape apologists do. They twist people’s words to make males out to be the fucking victims.
You do know lots of men who have sexually assaulted women. The rate is about 30% of men engaging in sexually aggressive behavior. Let that sink in.
This is why she is pissed and created this sign. Rather than support her with reality you want to play apologist and create some fantasy world where men are being unfairly picked on. That makes you a fucking asshole in my book.
Then you have the audacity to frame it as hate. Did her fucking sign say kill all males because they are rapists!? No it fucking didn’t, so get the fuck out of here with the hate bullshit.
And finally, trying to raise awareness that a shit ton of males are rapist losers suddenly becomes an assault on all males. If I didn’t know better I would say you are exhibiting some serious levels of projection with all this.
I am a male, and I am not offended at all. In fact she is absolutely fucking right to make that sign to point out the reality that males get away with rape all the fucking time.
I have yet to meet a women who has not been sexually assaulted in their lifetime. My mother, my wife, and my daughters have all been sexually assaulted. Stop being a rape apologist.
I’m sorry you took my message as “men are the victim” but that wasn’t my intent, I was saying this statement may be poignant and striking but it does serve to other and make an enemy of that other.
I’m not going to go down this rabbit hole with you because I don’t believe men are being unfairly picked on nor do I condone or support or act as an apologist for rape in spite of your belief.
I know you’re misunderstanding what I said if you believe I make any statement about the person in the picture.
I appreciate you elaborating but you make a lot of assertions about my beliefs and mindset that honestly idk if I have the energy on a lazy sunday to want to argue.
I didn’t take your message wrong, you just didn’t realize that you were being a rape apologist. That is okay.
Go back and read the sign again. It is not saying anything you are fucking imagining.
In the future don’t make men out to be the victims, that is literally the point of her sign. Women face the consequences and men don’t.
You immediately open with not every man is a rapist. Well duh, but this is exactly what rape apologists do.
To play devil’s advocate, your own post states that 70% of men are not rapists, so… “Not all men” seems to be agreed upon, even by you.
If we can get past that, I think everyone here can have a reasonable conversation.
Nobody outside of Trump’s circle of friends, or the Catholic Church, supports rapists. We fucking hate them and stand by survivours as if they were our own sibling or child or parent.
Large airplane flies overhead
Glad we can agree even if you missed the point.
If 1 in 100 men is a rapist, then he can rape a lot more women than 1 in 100. Very few people are responsible for most occasions, similarly with divorces, etc.
Also why would anyone admit to being a rapist?
No, the rate is around 30% of men have engaged in sexually aggressive behavior. It is endemic in our society hence why the majority of women have been sexually assaulted in their lifetime.
Do you have a source for the number because it seems entirely made up.
“White and Smith (in press) surveyed three cohorts of men across 4 years of college. By the end of the study, 14% had reported committing attempted or completed rape and 34% had reported at least one act of sexual assault perpetration.”
"Almost a quarter (24.5%) of these men acknowledged committing an act since the age of 14 that met standard legal definitions of attempted or completed rape; an additional 39% had committed another type of sexual assault involving forced sexual contact or verbal coercion. "
And the link to that study is where?
You got enough information to look it up on scihub if you were actually interested.
I see so you are refusing to provide a link to a study despite the fact that it would so easily prove you right and everyone else wrong.
Seems like maybe the study doesn’t actually exist?
It is multiple studies, two different quotes.
Don’t cite sources. This isn’t about truth. Men’s feefees don’t care about facts and shit.
Oh yeah, I guessed that. Thanks.
Sorry, just a mistake i used to make a lot; citing sources has never convinced anyone. Closest ive ever seen work is exaggerating a number slightly so they correct you with the real-but-still-very-bad number,
They still don’t give a shit, but they do acknowledge it if you can get them to do that.
You would rather win the argument with one person than serve more people the source to read for themselves? If you quote a paper it should be sourced. If you don’t source it then it is suspicious and you are just creating conflict. Methods are important.
What’s the definition of sexually aggressive behavior? I’m not doubting this statistic but it doesn’t sound like it’s measuring the same thing here.
A range of actions that involve the use of force, coercion, or manipulation to engage in sexual activity without the victim’s consent. In other words, rape.
Do you have a link to where you got this from?
You have more than enough to look it up on scihub if you arent just a misogynist piece of shit and are asking because you’re genuinely interested
“White and Smith (in press) surveyed three cohorts of men across 4 years of college. By the end of the study, 14% had reported committing attempted or completed rape and 34% had reported at least one act of sexual assault perpetration.”
"Almost a quarter (24.5%) of these men acknowledged committing an act since the age of 14 that met standard legal definitions of attempted or completed rape; an additional 39% had committed another type of sexual assault involving forced sexual contact or verbal coercion. "
That is pretty insane actually. I’d still like to read the whole article if it’s available somewhere. Thanks.
It is scientific journal stuff, pretty dry read honestly. You can find all this with Google search still. Cheers!
This is insultingly untrue
Yeah! How dare they insult statistical-you with statistics!
#notallmen are 50% of men!
Made up bullshit isn’t a statistic
Cite a source or shut the fuck up, liar.
Don’t cite sources. This isn’t about truth.
This you?
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Sure, whatever a bunch of rape apologist males say.
If you actually think nearly a third of all men are rapists, you need psychiatric help. That is literally insane.
Well the world is insane then. Every women I have got to know in my life has been sexually assaulted including my mother, wife, and daughters. It is endemic in our society.
Thirty percent is actually a low estimate. In some studies almost forty percent of college males admit to using some form of coercion and ignoring consent. Fifteen percent of these would be considered rape by the laws of their jurisdictions.
Keep in mind these studies relied on people being honest so the actual numbers are much higher. There is also a huge disparity between sexual assault and sexual assault arrests and convictions.
Less than 4% of reported sexual assault end in a conviction. So that means there are a shit ton of people who will never face any consequences for what they did. Furthermore this does not even count all the sexual assaults that are not reported.
It is estimated only one third of sexual assaults are even reported. This is due to the stigma women face for reporting. Many don’t report because it is someone close to them and they are afraid. The ones that do report are often not taken seriously and dismissed without a report even filed.
I have personally witnessed this when I saw a trooper talk my sixteen year old babysitter out of pressing rape charges because the boy was the son of a city cop.
I am also a social worker by trade and I have worked for social service agencies like child welfare. I can confirm in my professional experience that sexual assault is an epidemic in our society
I have also worked with adult sexual offenders in the jail and through reentry programs. I know what it takes to bring a rapist back into the community. So don’t even play that I am crazy.
… What does 30% of men have engaged in sexually aggressive behaviour mean?
Like it’s been a long long long tradition that women predominantly prefer to be “chased” and expect men to be aggressive.
30% isn’t a large number, that represents about 15% of the global population about 600 million people out of 8 billion approximately
I think you might want to rethink how you express your argument here because I don’t think this is what you are trying to communicate.
Again, what do you really mean when you use the term sexually aggressive?
Making them acknowledge this is misandry or something.
I guess this sub attracts a lot of incels.
Scratch a man, an incel bleeds?
Probably accurate for this sub at least.
I will never forget taking my 16 year old babysitter to the Trooper Station after she was raped just to have an officer talk her out of pressing charges because the rapist was the son of a cop.
Everywhere. They all seem to be like this. And they’re all so disingenuous about it.
Stop trying to downplay rape by calling it “sexually aggressive behaviour”, you rape apologist.
This is Witches versus Patriarchy not White Male Rape Apologist vs. Reality. Read the fucking room.
Says the person refusing to provide the source despite the fact that you presumably have it in front of you. Assuming you’re not making it up.
“White and Smith (in press) surveyed three cohorts of men across 4 years of college. By the end of the study, 14% had reported committing attempted or completed rape and 34% had reported at least one act of sexual assault perpetration.”
"Almost a quarter (24.5%) of these men acknowledged committing an act since the age of 14 that met standard legal definitions of attempted or completed rape; an additional 39% had committed another type of sexual assault involving forced sexual contact or verbal coercion. "
You seem to be such a nice person.
Please stop trying to help, it just makes it worse.
Because the same few guys are raping a lot of different women.
Because most non-rapist guys choose not to associate with predatory guys, while the latter’s victims didn’t have a choice in the matter.
Because most non-rapist guys choose not to associate with predatory guys
That explains a lot. A guy in my high school touched a girl’s breast. We ostracised him then he went to another school and never heard from again.
Lotta women get raped by multiple people tho. Maybe stop trying to excuse yourself.
Your reading comprehension requires some improvement because nowhere in their comment did they attempt to excuse anyone least of all themselves.
They made a factually accurate statement and you lashed out at them as if it was some sort of opinion you could attack rather than a function of reality.
I’m glad grue doesn’t know any rapists, I don’t think it’s something that needs to be excused. I wish all men didn’t know any rapists
It’s not hard to see that if non-rapist guys refuse to associate with rapists, then maybe rapists are more likely to band together and commit their crimes as a group.
Man here. I was once a mandatory reporter so i absolutely know some rapists. Some of the cases involved men (or women) i knew.
I do want to acknowledge that women are disproportionately the victims of sexual violence and rape, but if i could id just mention that victims of sexual violence and rape can be any gender, and the rapists can be any gender as well. I mention that since the sign kind of assumes that men won’t be victims themselves or that they wouldnt tell their friends like women.
Man here as well. I was sexually assaulted at work. Company did nothing but I did spend some time in a mental ward due to having panic attacks coming back into the office.
Assaulter was a man, never got fired. I was kinda told to deal with it.
I don’t think I’m friends with any rapists but it’s hard to tell. I had a friend that gets like a large number of hits on Tinder and basically hooks up really often with a new chick. One day, he described how he treated one of his girls that he wanted to settle down with, I was a bit horrified. He was saying things like, “she really thought she was at my level, I had to tell her I was number one in this relationship”, “I had to separate her from her friends they were getting on my nerves”. I was like … oh shit, this guy’s a possible abuser. I just kinda stopped hanging out with the dude. That girl did eventually dump him which he was sobbing to me about.
I try to avoid people like that to be honest.
Bluntly, everyone should consider themselves to be a mandatory reporter.
I know the term has a specific legal definition, but if more people adopted that mindset, then maybe there would be fewer rapists walking free…
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Who tf would go around admitting to serious crimes that’ll get you shunned from most circles?
Also, I’m going to assume most rapists are serial rapists.
Exactly why we need to rethink how we deal with this kind of thing.
Im a survivor of childhood sexual assault and im a man.
P.s. my abuser was a woman
I hope you’re doing well now brother.
I can’t imagine what you, or any other victim has experienced. I’m just a dude on the internet.
All the same, I wish you nothing but the best. Be well.
Happened so long ago it feels like a weird dream memory, and I really wasnt fully aware something fucky happened till much later in life
I’m a dude. I’ve known a couple.
I had a friend once at a party tell me to come with her, so I did. She walked up to this dude I was acquainted with, screamed at him, told everyone around that he raped her, and proceeded to beat the living shit out of him. Everyone let it happen then I drove her home.
I’ve know a few guys that I suspect would although I don’t know for certain and I certainly wouldn’t want to hang out with them to verify.
