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What is incredibly toxic is insulting someone and then blocking them, so they can’t defend themselves.
It’s really crazy how internet regressed in this regard. “Don’t feed the troll” is been the moto of the web but not it’s almost inverse. People try to justify this as justice seeking but its clearly doesn’t work.
I block people mostly because I don’t want to upvote anything they have to say in the future. Usually because something they have said to me or someone else is so egregious that I don’t care to know what else they might say.
The other reason comes down to harassment, or deliberate misuse of tags.
Why did you tag NSFW
I don’t block people. It’s better to downvote them.
Nobody is changing their mind from modern debates online. We are in a culture of anti-intellectualism. So there really is no point. I only block if someone is annoying or there is no point in engagement.
I don’t think that’s 100% true though. I’ve changed my mind several times but these talks needs both parties to argue in good faith not just throwing stones at each other.
The main issue with main areas where this happens is because the communication tools are incredibly limited on purpose. Its impossible to have a conversation on Instagram, twitter or tiktok or even Facebook comments. And that’s done on purpose - isn’t that crazy?
on the other hand, I generally really like discussions on hacker news because everyone at least pretends to approach in good faith and the discussion culture is quite professional. There are several small communities on the web that function this way and it really works!
the basic and long forgotten sloga. Of “don’t feed the trolls”
I accept opinions other than my own, but if there is no sincere commitment from the other, why bother. Don’t feed the trolls.
We really should have never moved from that mindset. Now it is people rage baiting with actual trauma for money or the love of the game. 🥲
The irony of THIS comic is, you could apply that argument to every single opinion in existence.
The online comment context and usage of “Why won’t you debate, are you scared” suggests the response is directed at online trolls, people who argue in bad faith, and imperiously demand rigourous debate without offering the same let alone an ounce of intellectual generosity, i.e. sealioning. In contrast, something like a movie review is a structured evaluation is still an opinion, but it doesn’t deride readers for not engaging with it.
I DON’T OWE YOU AN AUDIENCE FOR YOUR ANNOYING BULLSHIT
Man, this post gave me so many new people to block!
So I’m fully expecting a big reaction given how much of a reaction this comic always provokes, I’m not a huge fan of pizzacake’s art style or the whole negativity around it but I also haven’t found a way to just filter it out without blocking the whole instance. I’m not attacking anyone though, you keep on enjoying this if you like, I’m just putting my thoughts out and I might just be missing an option.
Tell me about it. I don’t need this bland-millenial-shouting-about-their-extremely-standard-lives fodder.
I blocked her on reddit and it was good for a while.
But now people are reposting here :<
Yup I’m in agreement. Yes this is the comic strip sub, but this literally offers nothing of entertainment or comedy value at all. Plus why tf is this marked NSFW??? In reference to your question maybe block the User?
As the OP mentioned, this is the 1st time they posted this artist. If there was a single dedicated account posting PC comics, that would work, but not in this context.
Double benefit from my perspective. I block people for three reasons, they are not mutually exclusive. Willful stupidity and being argumentative. If someone refuses to learn objective truth or insists I believe their objectively wrong position I have no need to interact with them in the future. I’m done with them. The third reason is getting the last word, myself or them. I have a hard time shutting up sometimes, so if someone meets either of the above criterial and has to continue to keep commenting on any rebuttal I make I just block them. There’s no reason to allow myself to continue the interaction, and the other person has no interest in a good faith discussion.
Why is this nsfw?
Try blocking your boss and see how it goes
Sometimes, the only winning move is not to play.
Honestly I’ve come around on pizzacake. I now think it’s actually an impressive artistic feat to make a successful webcomic where your secondary main character is consistently a non-existent strawman.
It’s like social commentary on social commentary, wrapped in countless layers of irony and meta, right?
Every time I see this comic I think “you totally had a confrontation you fumbled, then came up with a response a week later and made a comic to ‘own’ someone”.
You’re onto something here
Well, same way Stormtroopers wear helmets. You can’t really individualize them or people start to appreciate them and root for them, like they do every villain.
I also just generally like the Mary Sue nature of drawing yourself into your own comics and making yourself look good under all circumstances. It really communicates a lack of narcissism and arrogance.
I like how you sarcasm.
your secondary main character is consistently a non-existent strawman
Y’all gonna pretend the person in the comic isn’t real? I’ve seen comments of that exact nature discussing people who block others before bruh, find a legitimate comic to post this on next time
That’s fair criticism. In the comic at hand, you’re right, they’re not a non-existent strawman, as this strawman does exist. The apt critique for this specific comic is more about how blaringly obvious the conclusion that is being presented as revelatory is, so I shouldn’t have used the word “non-existent” in this specific critique. Very fair, cheers.
edit: typo
why so butthurt then? if the comics are so crazy and irrelevant, why are they so popular?
why don’t you just block pizza comics?You will notice that it was not pizzacake that posted this.
Also I think we need a reset if we’re at the point where critiquing and criticizing media is suddenly “being butthurt.”
you’re not criticizing, you’re butthurt.
Pot/Kettle much? You haven’t even engaged with my criticism, since I never once have called pizzacake’s comics either “crazy” or “irrelevant” or any synonym thereof; if anything they’re too pedestrian and “low-hanging fruit,” the exact opposite of those critiques.
And you see, this right here is why some of us don’t want pizzacake’s bullshit here; it is seemingly impossible for people to engage with criticism of them honestly, for some unknown reason.
I have never once sought out a pizzacake comic to shit on. I have never once criticized pizzacake for anything outside the content of the art she has personally entered into the public square or her conduct in relation to said art. All I have ever done is engage with the art brought into the public square for consideration. This is c/comicstrips, not c/comicstripsycophantry, ostensibly a community for the discussion and consideration of this media form, not just a place for empty yes-manning.
So as for you, feel free to take your own advice and just block me if you find my content distasteful, but as for your assertion, you can kindly fuck right off with that.
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You aren’t even using that term right; I’m not asking for you to engage me in shit, nor am I feigning civility as I’ve been pretty clearly aggressive in my stance and told you to fuck off. Again, enormous pot/kettle projection. But hey, I’ll save us both the trouble and do the blocking for you. 👍
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I wish blocking also prevented them from viewing my posts
I wish that too, but I understand why it isn’t. Opens the blocking mechanism up to abuse.
It’s really obnoxious on tumblr.
Someone says something factually incorrect (usually about trans people, usually a “detrans lesbian” who is most certainly a 21 year old cis man alternating between /pol/ and tumblr). Just straight up lies. You call them out, they block you, and then continue posting lies.
I get blocking as a tool for mental health, avoiding harassment, keeping one’s sanity - but it’s problematic when blocks are used to hide lies.
Especially problematic if used by a comm owner - they outright become a mini admin in their comm.
Make your own community?
The issue with blocking, if it prevents the blocked party from seeing posts/comments, is it can and will be used to shape public opinion. Somebody did an experiment on Reddit some time back and showed that after a few rounds of blocking all naysayers, they could post pretty much anything and have it upvoted because all people who disagreed couldn’t see the content. An echo chamber, essentially. Combine that with mod powers and it’s ripe for abuse.
Freedom of Speech != Obligation to Listen
Yeah and it goes both ways. She can post her crap, and haters can hate. She can ignore them and they choose not to ignore her. That’s where the conflict comes in.
The whole DMCA thing only made it worse. She exposed herself as a target for hatred and the haters love nothing more than for the enemy to expose their glowing weak point to shoot at.
But that’s because if we want copyright and parody to coexist, they need to have limits. Parody gets a blanket license to reuse source material endlessly unless you can justify the expense of an attorney to hit a moving target that may be made from hundreds of individuals mocking your content. That’s kind of shitty and almost impossible to defend against. It’s like how you can’t copyright a tweet because it is too short. But you should be able to copyright a body of tweets because aggregated they are (checks notes) not too short. In her case the bonehurtingjuice community turned into an active troll campaign to target every one of her comics to harass and demean her.
So in this case I do think the internet trolls on bhj were shitheads and were in the wrong. Even if that coexists with my opinion that her comics kind of suck. And frankly I think the current legal system is at fault for not having adapted to coordinated trolling. She’s probably going to get killed by one of those gamergate nutjobs now that she’s been doxxed.
