Definitely has his grip on reality, this one
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Fun fact: The faster a car travels, the bigger the spacing between the cars gets. That’s necessary to leave enough distance for emergency stops.
While the speed increases linearly, the spacing increases with the square, meaning at double the speed, the spacing quadruples, which in turn means that throughput (number of cars per hour) halves.
This is the reason why many regions use electronic speed signs to drop the speedlimit lower when there’s congestion. Because it increases throughput and thus reduces travel times.
The optimum speed for high throughput is 30km/h.
Counterintuitive as it might be, drivers should be all for 30km/h speed limit in cities, because it would make them get to work faster.
That’s also the fastest speed before sharply increasing the likelihood of fatality in pedestrian collisions
You can cite an infinite amount of proven facts and studies, car brains will never accept your „communist propaganda“. This whole discussion is too emotionally loaded to be based on facts.
Another related fun fact: Larger vehicles are harder to see around, so people have to leave even more distance which reduces throughput.
“Please bro one more line on the highway bro please just one more lane”
See not congested at all.
There’s quite some room in between the lanes. If they all move in a bit, I bet there’s plenty of room for an extra bike lane on either side.
this line makes me think of ai:
bro just a few more power plants, gimme a nuclear one and some coal fired, please bro, it’ll all be worth it with just a few more gigawatts. It’ll make sense then, just a few more plants broooo
See, the problem is that you only have two lanes in the city /s
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Just one more lane bro. I promise bro just one more lane and it’ll fix everything bro. Bro, just one more lane. Please just one more, one more lane and we can fix this whole problem bro, bro c’mon just give me one more lane i promise bro, bro bro please! Just need one more lane
In the end the city will have to bulldoze the houses and offices that make up to the city to make room for more roads and cars, increasing costs and destroying their own tax revenue in the process, or realize less cars are the answer.
In addition to all the parking lots that the increased car traffic would require
Long story: short the city will eventually have to decide whether to put one last parking space or one last lane.
Man, I’m flashing back to my visit to Detroit and the massive ‘boulevard’ that cuts the city in two. The car I was riding in had to get on to what was basically a highway, change lanes a half dozen times, and exit via ramp in order to get from one neighborhood to another. (In the span of a quarter mile).
It was eerie, but doable, because there weren’t many other cars on the road. I can only imagine how difficult it would have been when there was actually traffic.
Roads can be walls as well as nooses.
When you have enough tarmac, you don’t even need lanes or lights, there’ll be space for everyone.
Lanes are a commie plot to steal freedom anyway.
It’s obvious from the picture that it is the buildings in the city that cause the congestion. get rid of em.
I once got stuck behind someones house once, I politely honked three times and flashed my headlights , but it wouldn’t budge, so in the end i had no choice but to ram right through it. Fucking cities stealing all our open roads.
Do you have the key for the car colour coding? Is it occupancy?
It probably just attempts to indicate it’s the same 3 cars again, likely pointing out the fact that there are legitimate reasons to drive, those people are just fucked by everyone else and brain-dead traffic planning.
It looks like the green cars have passengers, while the red cars have single occupants.Nevermind, some of the red cars have passengers, too. I guess the green cars survive to the final graphic… why that’s relevant, I don’t really understand.
Might just be that those three cars have legitimate reasons to be driving. Like, it could be a carpenter’s or electrician’s van on the way to a job site in the city.
That’s what tripped me up too, haha
I think it’s more for design language, you’re subconsciously drawn to the green vehicles because they’re different, and subconsciously when you’re looking at the traffic, you’re reminded what it’s like being in the traffic yourself.
So you imagine yourself as the green car.
1st scenario: traffic is really bad. 2nd scenario: they’ve added more lanes, but you, the green car, are still stuck. 3rd scenario: public transportation has alleviated the traffic and it’s better for all.
Notice in the 3rd scenario, all the transportation is green. I think it’s to make you think, “I can ride my bike to work” or “I can take the bus” or “I can still drive my car if where I live requires me to” depending on your own situation. It’s to show all options can be viable, if you support public transportation.
That’s how I see it at least.
Full marks for interesting nuance, for what it’s worth. I would love to think every designer thought this hard about their own work.
I was thinking it’s electric?
I assumed that Green = Moving. The pedestrians in the city are green, as are the busses and bikes in the bottom diagram. The greens in the top two are there to show just how few vehicles can actually move at any given time.
I think red is just to show the effective capacity advantage of the bus lane once it appears in the final diagram.
A bike lane on a highway seems like a terrible idea.
Denmark checking in. A lot of our highways have separate parallel bicycle highways. It’s really great! They have exits in the same spots as cars do and have big sound barriers.x
Separate makes sense
anywhere that you might say “we shouldn’t have a bike lane here, it’s too dangerous for cyclists” is a place where there should be a bike lane.
And this is why the Marianas Trench needs a bike lane.
Inside rail racks? That is such a dumb decision making process.
Spending billions of dollars connecting two cities and not spending a couple percent more for parallel active transportation infrastructure also seems like a terrible idea.
On and near are not the same thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get blocked, you-know-what. You are noise.
As if you don’t block people who are rude and bad faith with you.
Nobody cares if you block them. We object to the things you say. You don’t just block people and get on with your life, you attempt to weaponize blocking people. For your own petty needs.
Ah so it is considered petty to tell someone why you are blocking. We? You are plural?
You’re looking at what is obviously a conceptual diagram and acting as if it’s some kind of literal blueprint. IMO it’s something closer to a Sankey diagram showing the overall flow and moda share of traffic into the city than a plan sketch of an individual road. I don’t think it’s even reasonable to conclude that it’s actually suggesting using the same alignment for cars, bikes, and pedestrians at all, let alone strawmanning it as “a bike lane on a highway.”
Frankly, I’m found it to be a tough call deciding whether you genuinely didn’t understand that or if you were commenting in bad faith (which violates rule 1), and the only thing that made me give you the benefit of the doubt was your later comment talking about the cement barrier (i.e. a somewhat constructive comment about how to make it better) instead of continuing to flatly reject it.
If you had looked at my replies to other people who replied to me, you would see I wasn’t antibike lanes in general. The diagram looks far closer to a city street than a highway.
If you had looked at my replies to other people who replied to me, you would see I wasn’t antibike lanes in general.
I did, hence my reference to “your later comment talking about the cement barrier.”
The diagram looks far closer to a city street than a highway.
The right side of it does, sure, because that’s what it’s depicting the highway transitioning to.
I was referring to other comments. Ones the people I blocked could have checked before attacking me.
Nobody “attacked” you until you attacked them first. That’s why your comments were removed for being uncivil and theirs weren’t.
Well it’s a good thing no one is proposing that! Seriously, where do you people come from?
the return of /r/all
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You are the asshole. You need to look at the image again. They are separated.
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When cars are going 70+ mph 6 feet of fucking grass is not enough there needs to be a cement barrier.
Definitely put cameras in the bus lane and fine all the cars who are driving in it then.
There are solid black lines in the bottom diagram instead of dashed in the top two, this suggests something more than a lane line, it might be representing a kerb or could easily be a more physical barrier. but as far as a simplified diagram goes that looks pretty clearly separated as can be depicted in plan view.
I assume this is not the detailed plans. If it is those buildings are way too small for all of these people to fit inside.
There’s a bus lane before getting to the cars, and there’s a stoplight and a tighter lane which indicates that that’s no longer a fucking 70+mph zone lol.
Look, it’s ok to not be that smart but being such a massive prick about it is a bad look, broski.
If you only have a hammer …
oh no they called me a communist however shall i cope
When it gets to the stage that you get called a communist, you know you have won the argument.
As if the GOP even hold back anything after the first round
usually when I get called a communist, it’s when I’m explaining that people deserve basic human rights.
When someone calls you a communist you know that you won the argument.
Absolutely something a Sith would say.
It’s crazy how our 18-lane highway, with none of the stuff mentioned, is gridlocked all the time. 🤔
Maybe one more lane, bro!
It’s the stoplight’s fault! Ban stop signs, traffic lights and remove speed limits and we’ll never have gridlock again!!!
I’m unironically all for removing stop signs, traffic lights, and speed limits. If you build streets and roads properly, you don’t need those, frequently ignored, control devices.
It would remove gridlock, but not necessarily congestion.
This person urban designs.
Round about gang for life
As an often pedestrian, i often prefer lights. If it’s a busy dual carriageway roundabout It can often be hard to route pedestrians across. You end up with elaborate and winding pedestrian subways.
Roundabouts are ok on rural junctions, but round here we often have to have traffic lights on roundabouts as you start to get closer in to urban areas - and they do seem to help flow.
I just don’t believe road design alone can remove the need for coordination as population density gets above a certain level. Fuck in central London you need traffic lights just to coordinate all the buses never mind cars. Of course they need an overhead s-bahn type light rail system there though, but planning rules/landowners won’t allow it. At this point they just need less people - but again the govt/electorate/landowners won’t allow that because they’re all a bunch of tw4ts.
As Jason Slaughter (Not Just Bikes) says—and I agree—any city street with more than one car lane in each direction is an abject failure of urban planning. Multi-lane roundabouts should never exist in places where people are expected to walk.
If enough people are going the same direction at the same time that they need more than one lane for cars, then that’s the perfect route for transit.
Abject failure of urban planning, or democracy?
Oh there are many other intersections
Round abouts, peanuts, uncontrolled, yielded, modal filtered, raised, edged, sunken, and more.
There are a lot of ways to give clear cues to all road users on what to do, and how to do it, without relying on signage. Traffic lights in particular are extremely low throughput; their primary advantage is allowing vehicles to drive really fast between intersections, so they are great for roads/highways but not for streets.
Ok with that, but you also need to remove other cars from the road. Every time I’ve been stuck in traffic, it was because there were so many other cars. This has got out of control! Who are all these people and where are they all going?!?
All these bums without cars trying to cross the road made me late! Do they really need a crossing every five blocks? /S
There was a guy who took his guitar before the Portland City Council and sang a song about induced demand. If you build more lanes, more drivers will come and fill them.
OMG, I love this man! That video is 7 years old… Did they add more lanes? 🫣
The project actually still hasn’t started due to ongoing litigation and budget constraints. It did get redesigned with more bike infrastructure and pedestrian bridges to cross the freeway, but local bike and pro-transit groups still oppose the project.
One of the main arguments is that the state’s proposal is not consistent with the city’s regional plan, which says that the interstate can only be expanded if congestion pricing is also implemented to discourage additional traffic.
At this point, the state is planning to fix up some bridges while the rest of the legal fight plays out. Expansion probably won’t start until 2028 in any case… at which point this song will be an “oldie.”
Bikes are not usually allowed on the highway, yet the highway experiences congestion. How is that?
I once had the pleasure of cycling the Shimanami Kaido in Japan, a bike route that connects the islands of Honshu and Shikoku, hopping between all these minor islands on the way over suspension bridges carrying the main highway.
The bike lane is protected the whole time. In one case, the bike route is actually below the deck of the bridge, and you’re on a fenced-in catwalk hundreds of feet over the channel between the islands. Views for miles over Osaka bay.
Honestly, when I look back at my life, it’s probably my favorite thing I’ve ever done. If only the U.S. invested in bike infrastructure like that.
Current plan for the new cape cod bridges include a protected bike lane with a great view over the canal!
Too many people complain we could fit an extra lane in that space without thinking. Sure there are huge backups, but those are addressed with the new design not making cars slow down and not having entrance and exit ramps right there. Most importantly, you’re crossing to a two lane highway so there is no benefit to more than two lanes. Allowing continuous flow to the amount that the other side can handle reduces congestion. Anyone you can get on a bike is the one that will reduce congestion. And for all that is holy, let’s run the Cape Flyer often enough to be useful
That’s great to hear! I was actually living in Somerville when I did that Japan trip. The extension of the bike path and really that whole rails-to-trails project were wonderful for the community. We need more projects like that - glad to hear the cape is getting some.
What… next thing you know you’ll ask people to use reason. /s
Because of the bike lanes in the other streets of course.
You’re right. They don’t create congestion.
They ARE congestion.
This, exactly.
You’re not sitting in traffic … You are traffic .
The guy in the OP also gives off small dick energy. Just saying.
Is water wet?
What it wrong with that guy? Did a bike fuck his wife or something?
My car doesn’t create congestion. It’s everyone else’s that’s the problem.
Like people driving during the pandemic and talking how amazing it felt to drive
If you’re stuck in traffic, you ARE the traffic.
“Hi boss, I’ll be a bit late into work. I am traffic.”
“Hi boss, I’ll be a bit late into work. I’m stuck in me.”
“Goddammit Phalange, I don’t need to know what kinky shit you’re into. Go to the hospital if it’s that bad.”
“Can’t. I’m stuck.”
Call your step-brother?
Yeah! Thanks! That’ll help. 🤣
Sounds more like it’ll make you even more late.
“I’m the main character and everyone else is the NPC traffic!”
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I think it’s established fact that you can’t reduce congestions by adding more lanes and roads. Not because of bad road design but because the amount of cars will fill up those new lanes. So saying ‘cars cause congestions’ is pointing at the fact that regardless of how many roads or lanes we have the will be filled. Hence roads aren’t the problem, but cars are.
I think it’s established fact that you can’t reduce congestions by adding more lanes and roads.
I mean, if it worked we would see the successes in all those giant freeway cities but instead the problem just grows.
If we just turn everything into road then nobody will have anywhere to go. It’s the perfect solution
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Another reason it doesn’t reduce congestion is that lane changes are frequently the cause of accidents or hard braking, which creates traffic jams. And Americans’ complete lack of lane discipline just makes it all worse.
Actually, inadequate lanes do contribute to congestion. The traffic will always be pretty much standard… the time of transit however is slowed so it may seem like there are less cars… but no, it is less road. Also, the curvature of the roads – especially on on ramps can affect visibility of oncoming traffic and not providing for a properly lengthed merge lane is also a big problem. Some things that can help slow down (prevent speeding at merging areas/onramps) so it is easier to merge is having islands between the right and left lanes with greenery, more lights/slowdowns and providing a fast lane for carshares and buses. Building in service roads and bypasses also decreases the congestion.
pretty sure that mostly applies to mega cities that shouldn’t have multi-lane roads to begin with
It applies to smaller cities as well as fat as you I’m aware, not just mega cities.
I’d say he’s right. In a way. Cars don’t create congestion, they are congestion.
Fine. And with this realisation let’s end the phrase “I’m stuck in traffic”. Cars aren’t stuck in traffic, they are traffic.
Every bike on the road is one less car.
Other than that this guy seriously needs to get out into the fresh air and spend sometime around people (if it is a guy, it’s overwhelmingly most likely a bot and so a genuinely harmful thing to engage with, get angry about, republish here, or do anything with other than ignore).
Social media is just getting worse, and although there is much to like about defederation, a lot of the content here is not healthy.
let’s end the phrase “I’m stuck in traffic”.
I’m contributing to traffic? I’m doing my part joining the traffic?
So many tempting options highlighting our individual responsibility to the collective problem… yet none of them actually used. Ever. I wonder why. Surely it’s because of “others”!
I like “I’m traffic.” Succinct, to the point.
It amazes me that this country literally has state borders built around rail systems, a huge dependence on rail for shipping, but decided to just pave over trolley rails, and jack prices of train transit to thousands of dollars for just a few hundred miles. Then the government forces us to pay shittons of money into our vehicles in taxes, insurance, etc without regulating the private companies that we’re forced to pay. Meanwhile other countries have super fast trains to travel, subsidized with tax money, and travel seems to be more efficient.
travel seems to be more efficient.
And they just ignore the negative health outcomes here vs countries where cars are not the norm.
That’s the American system working as designed.
Provide no public benefit for your taxes while forcing the populace to funnel money into predatory private businesses. This ensures the powerful can rob the population with impunity and without pesky competition while making the populace distrustful of public programs that might benefit them and deprive those wealthy, powerful robber-barons of their golden eggs.
Communism is when bike
tell me more 💕
The people sieze the means of commuting, and install bike lanes and public transport.
Congestion is literally made out of cars. Without cars, there would be no congestion.
You know what would REALLY fix congestions?
MORE CARS!!
Just one more lane bro. Just one more.
I swear I can stop anytime I want man!!
What’s the solution after EVERY. SCHOOL. SHOOTING?
Moar guns.
This could not possibly be said any better, I think.
