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Americans love to pull up this kind of bullshit, but it really falls even flatter after 2024. You can’t do “nazi bar” rhetoric while you have an unmarked militia disappearing people off the streets and doing fuck all about it
Normalize scrolling past threads unrelated to US politics if that’s all you want to post about.
Man, this meme sure was spot on…
What if she ain’t Amewican?
Nah. Only Americans have Italian grandmothers.
Uh… Lotta people in not Italy with Italian grandmothers are in not Italy because their Grandma fled fascism.
Me, on the lookout for fascist nonas, as I break my spaghetti
I hate both of the people in this discussion.
One more than the other?
How about the Italian grandmother in the equation too?
Oh damn, I just made myself hated for asking that now too, didn’t I?
Shooting fascists and risking everything for liberty. We should all follow her example. That also means you don’t break the pasta.
Didn’t we fight fascism for the freedom to not give a fuck about “conservative” and “traditional” “values”… most of which are based on nothing more than opinions and feefees?
I’m pretty sure it wasn’t because of any specifically fascist culinary habits.
My Italian grandpa escaped a Nazi camp and brought his wife and my mom to America. Now I need to escape my family back to Italy. Funny how that worked out
hello distant relation i would like to join you on your emigration please and thank you. i promise to buy a large enough pan i don’t have to break my noodles
Cook spaghetti in long cylinder instead, problem solved
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or maybe in a loaf pan? they make one that goes on the burner, right?
Or make your own spaghetti [ o_O or noodles ] fresh.
You need to escape your family? What makes your family so terrible?
Gonna guess fascists.
Parading the body of Mussolini through Italy by his ankles.
1940 was 85 years ago, so unless said 👵 is over a 💯 years old, she was only a child back then.
Grandma was supporting fucking “gugu gaga” movement in the 1940, did you think she was born in fucking 1918?
People’s average age is about 44 in Italy, while a generation in the second half of the 20th century lasted about 29 years there.
So for two generations:
44+2*29=102So the grandma of the average Italian would have been 17 years old in 1940 and thus was not born in 1918, but in 1923.
No “gugu gaga”, but still quite young.
On average.Mine was born in 1939, definitely in “gaga gugu” age at the time, and she’s considered old as grandmas go. When talking to someone somewhere around my age (the likes of which I’m more likely to have a conversation, especially about cooking), I can expect their grandma to be less than a decade older than mine. So still very young at the time.
My grandmas were bom in 1914 and 1908.
So together with your value, 1923 sounds somewhat realistic.
I am not Italian, tlough. :-)1915 and 1907 here, and I’m mid 30s
How old are you? I’m late 30’s and my dad was born in 1943. Not sure when my grandma was born but she must have been in her twenties when she had my dad, because he’s the youngest of five. So there are definitely people in their thirties or forties who have a Italian grandmother who actively supported the fascists.
Your dad had you in his mid 40s which is pretty late to have a kid, especially the further back you go. I’m early 30s and my grandmother was born in '46
Sure. I didn’t say it’s common. Just that someone who is in their thirties or forties and have a fascist supporting Italian grandma surely must exist.
There is this nice little book by Alberto Grandi that looks at the history of Italian cuisine and finds out that many of those “old food traditions” were invented after WW2. It’s really a great read if you want to talk a look behind this italian food snobbery:
https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20250227-is-there-no-such-thing-as-italian-cuisine
Broke spaghetti last night while cooking for dinner. I also threw it against the cabinet to make sure it was done cooking.
I have a toddler so cooking “rules” go out the window for laughter.
I also threw it against the cabinet to make sure it was done cooking.
So you don’t have a mouth?
I don’t. I absorb spaghetti via osmosis.
just because your have a toddler doesn’t mean you have to cook like one
Lmfao… Maybe I’m actually 3 toddlers in a trench coat.
this is lemmy where the epitome of cooking is garlic and onions
It’s 2025. There’s barely a person on Lemmy whose grandma’s were more than 15 years old in the early 1940’s.
My grandma was born in 1929, grandpa in 1926, so they’d be 97 and 100 next year, and were approaching their 20s in the 40s. But that’s just me. I’m not even 40. There are plenty of people on Lemmy over 40, 50, 60. 😛
Most people here are under 40.
Your grandma was only 16 when the war ended, so she didn’t do a thing in it.
Most kids are born before their parents turn 30, so for most people who are currently 40 years old their grandparents were too young to fight in the war.
Even if you’re grandma was older and your grandparents could have did anything in WW2, you’d still be in the minority for “most people on Lemmy”.
Most people here are under 40.
Uh huh, uh huh. But you didn’t say that at first.
You said:
There’s barely a person on Lemmy whose grandma’s were more than 15 years old in the early 1940’s.
And I’m saying there’s plenty of them. Especially since the older you are, the older your grandparents are/would have been then. And I said I’m not even 40. So for those who are 40 and up, their grandparents would likely have been even older.
I just think you exaggerated a bit in your first take, that’s all. And that’s fine.
some families just have spread out generations, too. my bio family has 5 generations in the same span my wife’s has 4. i’m the second oldest of the grandchildren on my side of the family, my wife is the second youngest of the great-grandchildren on her side of the family.
Sure, but 5 generations isn’t exactly an average situation. Maybe not even 4. So on average I still maintain my assumption that there are plenty of people here on Lemmy with grandmothers who were older than 15 during the early 40s. ✅
5 generations in 120 years is unusual?
I thought you meant you have 5 generations alive right now. That’s unusual. 4 is less unusual but also not the majority, I imagine.
But yeah, that’s not what you meant so nevermind. 👍
7 would be unusual, 4-6 seems normal
I am thirty. My grandfather fought in WWII. Just because I’m in the minority doesn’t mean we don’t exist, let alone that generalisations are valid.
My generalizations are perfectly valid, because they’re completely true. YOU are not most people, or most families. You are in a very large minority here, by being over 29, and being so young but had a grandpa who fought in the war. You’re well below 5% out of the federation here.
*Final note to add: I specifically said (along with the original post) “grandma’s”. Not grandpa’s. So your pawpaw fighting in WW2 isn’t any validation as a sound argument. An old man will marry and have kids with a young woman. It seldom goes the other way around.
Do you have evidence for these bold claims? I’ve seen many people in this thread alone who are evidence against all your claims, and yet your generalisations, supported here with no less than five claims and zero evidence, are supposed to be compelling? Also, you blaggard, my grandmother was three years older than my grandfather.
Get thee gone.
Your grandma was only 16 when the war ended, so she didn’t do a thing in it.
that’s a pretty big assumption. my wife’s grandfather enlisted in the navy at 14 during WW2
She was a child… But what does that have to do with spaghetti anyway?
And she was likely born in New York City.
My grandma was a first generation immigrant from Italy and would not have given a shit. I don’t have a strong preference but not everyone wants longass spaghetti.
There’s 37643782 pasta shapes and they all taste good
passive aggressively breaks orzo in half while maintaining eye contact
For people who don’t realize how confusing this would be, this is what orzo looks like:
will probably need some toenail clippers and lots of time
Lots of passive aggressive time
Gonna need a banana for scale
Those are bananas.
Zoom in and look at the wood grain under the spoon.
I love trying different pasta shapes. When I was single, I would keep several different types, and when I’d make pasta, I’d mix them up in the same pot. Fun!
Until I got married, and found out that some people are profoundly insulted by mixed pastas. It’s not one of those things that couples discuss before marriage like kids, or which side of the bed they prefer, so it sort of blind sides you when it occurs.
I have also found that many people have strong preferences about shapes, and truly hate some shapes, claiming they taste bad. It’s all pasta, shape shouldn’t matter, but there is no negotiating with these people. Because of this, I seldom enjoy Farfalle anymore.
“Tastes bad” is not a good description but different shapes DO have different textures and hold different amounts of sauce. That’s my reason for not mixing shapes, I want one consistent dish
I’m against mixing because different shapes take different times to get done.
But you’re supposed to cook everything five minutes too long, by which point everything will taste about equally over-done. Welcome to school-cafeteria training!
You can cut a potato up and cook it the same way yet will taste different per sise and shape.
Ooo I’ve never mixed several types but I do enjoy doing penne/fusilli with some spaghetti
not everyone wants longass spaghetti
I bet long ass-spaghetti is someone’s fetish, though 🤷
I miss that brand of spaghetti where each spagetto is a metre long, the box is half a metre long and they are all folded in half, and if you’re not careful with the box you will snap them in half.
To me, breaking spaghetti is just a big sign that someone is a novice at cooking. It’s done because the person thinks they can’t fit them in the pot and are too inexperienced to know that the noodles will soften enough in just a few seconds to push them the rest of the way in.
It’s less “My Italian ancestors would be horrified” and more “Do you know what you’re doing? Would you like some help before you ruin whatever dish you’re trying to make?”
Or maybe they have kids who have trouble eating full length spaghetti
Or they want an effortless-to-eat meal, not having to choose between getting all dirty and spending more time rolling the damn pasta on the fork than eating
Then buy differen pasta, maybe? :p
or just break em :p
Or we’re adults who still haven’t quite figured out how to properly and appropriately wrap long spaghetti around a fork. 30+ years on in life, and I still end up dropping noodles and wearing sauce splatters when I try.
In b4 someone comes along and says sKiLL iSsuE. Yes, it is a skill and it is an issue. It’s also why I prefer rotini, or other small pastas.
In fact I’m starting to think I should just use chopsticks with spaghetti, as I have no problem eating ramen and lo mein that way.
I can eat spaghetti “properly” but it’s also painfully slow. If I’m somewhere in public there’s no way in Hell I’m ordering spaghetti because I don’t want to be eating like 30+ minutes later than everyone else.
I wouldn’t say I eat slow by any means (generally speaking) but it seems like people these days can’t wait to shovel down food fast enough so I’m already at a disadvantage from the start.
To me, the breaking of spaghetti is just a thing smug snobs like to use as a call out to make others feel less than.
If someone breaks pasta noodles, who fucking cares? It tastes the same!
I’ve been cooking homemade from scratch pastas for over 30 years. I break the spaghetti if I feel like the dish needs shorter noodles. So no, I know exactly what I’m doing and I don’t need your help.
Ffs… thinking a dish is “ruined” because someone Broke the spaghetti. LMAO!
Fuck the pasta police!
I rarely make homemade anymore and can easily twirl my long noodles without a spoon (wøōp), but don’t give a crap how others enjoy their pasta. So long as those sweet carbs make it in the word hole, all is good.
I couldn’t care less what type of noodles I’m eating in an Italian dish. I care more about the sauce and protein.
Think you meant “couldn’t care less”
Thanks. Fixed.
Exactly! Thank you! Same here. The shape/length of the noodle is entirely irrelevant to the dish, unless it’s a specific thickness of sauce, because then you’d base the pasta noodle on wether or not it can hold the sauce.
I can use a slightly smaller pot if I break the spaghetti
“Ruin” lmao also 0 difference to my tastebuds
I don’t know about breaking spaghetti, but putting them in a too small pot can ruin them. As my mother always used to say, “let the pasta swim! They must swim in the water!!” (Imagine in a strong Italian accent).
If you don’t have enough water the pasta doesn’t release enough starch (or something like that) and gets a bad flavor and texture, not mention not mixing well with a lot of sauces. Always use a bigger pot than you think you need with Italian food.
Edit: I was once at a German relative’s, and I kid you not, she had no pot of any kind. Nothing. So I ended up making spaghetti in a Teflon pan. Did not taste good.
You honestly believe breaking the pasta has a chance of ruining it? Lol
more like a rule of thumb, if they don’t know how to cook the most simple and easiest thing to cook, what else will they fuck up.
horror story, was studying for finals at a friend’s place, and his wife cooking dinner… I know because the first thing I hear is the spaghetti being snapped in half, them she boiled them for 40 minutes before dumping a cold jar of sauce and no cheese… Couldn’t focus on studying, that was torture
Look I’m not one to go around pointing out how people on the internet just tell lies but if this is the story you’re going to use to paint people who break their spaghetti as ignoramuses who not only can’t cook but will actually fuck it up…
his wife didn’t boil anything for forty minutes because there would be no water left well before then
ok, if you want more specific details, she boiled them for like 10, then left them in the hot water soaking for half an hour.
Ah well now I see where breaking the spaghetti is responsible for the problem
I’m itself breaking then isn’t a bad thing, at least not an unforgivable sin, it’s just an indicator of what else will they fuck up.
Or they just like smaller pieces. I don’t break pasta, but also spaghetti is a pretty shit shape for pasta and it feels like just weak attempt at a noodle more than anything.
I swear, people that cook Italian food just have zero creativity. “Oh I only use two ingredients but they’re quality” is such a lame excuse. “Yea this plate of mediocre pasta costs $25-30 no matter where you go but if you ignore the pho place next door it’s a pretty good deal!” Like, just a bunch of losers who don’t enough going for them so they get all juiced up on being pricks over their mediocre food.
Do I know what I’m doing?
Yes. I’m breaking the pasta because it fits in the pot better (and I don’t have to wait for it to soften up to push it all the way in). And I like to eat shorter spaghetti anyway.
I have cooked pasta 100s of times and I prefer it broken. Long pasta in annoying when you twirl it on a fork since you get often too much too little.
Also nice that the cooking is standardised so you can test a single pasta and know it’s a representative sample.
And if your pot size is small, it takes a lot longer than a couple of seconds to soften enough to push it in.
In our case, it’s a sign that my kids struggle with extra-long noodles. We’re letting them get used to scooping with a fork before worrying about much longer strands.
