• xia@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    266·
    16 hours ago

    After getting their way, I am not sure why would they turn around and go back home without accomplishing the errand…

  • Lka1988@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    542·
    19 hours ago

    Man, you can do that at 5 MPH and get a similar reaction. A few thousand pounds of car moving at 5MPH carries way more momentum than people realize.

    Edit: 5 MPH is a brisk walk. If you’ve run into a lamppost or a tree during a brisk walk, then you should understand what I mean.

    • Grimtuck@lemmy.world
      201·
      12 hours ago

      The weight of the car has no impact (excuse the pun) on the momentum of its passengers.

      • Malle_Yeno@pawb.social
        22·
        10 hours ago

        So I only took one physics class and never had to do it again, so I have no clue how to think of this. But doesnt a heavier car need more force to bring it + the passengers up to velocity than a lighter vehicle?

        If that’s the case and that car crashed, then I would figure the passengers would experience more force going the opposite direction than passengers in the lighter vehicle. That seems like it’d be more dangerous, even though both sets of passengers travelled at the same speed. Am I off base?

        • cynar@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          2 hours ago

          The momentum matters when you hit something. A large truck has a lot more momentum than a small car. If it hits something it needs proportionally more force to stop it. Since forces are equal and opposite, that means the hit object has to absorb more force. Basically thing of the difference between someone dropping a marble on your head from a balcony to doing the same with a bowling ball. It’s the same with a child hit by a vehicle.

          For passengers, only their mass matters. Whether you’re in a car, a truck, a train or an ocean liner, all that matters is the person’s mass and the rate of change.

        • /home/pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          1·
          1 hour ago

          If you have toy car Lamborghini that has the same 0-60 and speed of an actual Lamborghini, does it even matter?

          I once asked my physics professor if I would feel more force when breaking on a bus compared to a regular car and I believe the answer was no.

        • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
          3·
          10 hours ago

          Yes, you’re off base.

          The amount of force you experience has nothing to do with the vehicle you’re in, but the acceleration (positive or negative) you experience. In the case of a brake check, the only factors are starting speed, ending speed, and time. It doesn’t matter if you’re increasing speed (positive acceleration) or slowing down (negative acceleration), the total force will be the same (just different directions).

          Here are some formulas:

          • acceleration = change in velocity / change in time
          • force = mass * acceleration

          In this case, the mass is your mass, since you’re the one experiencing the acceleration.

          If you’re riding a bicycle at 15mph and slam on the brakes and stop in 10 feet, you’ll feel exactly the same force as being in a massive truck going 15mph and stop in 10 feet.

    • FiskFisk33@startrek.website
      62·
      10 hours ago

      unless you find yourself between the car and a stationary object, the few thousand pounds of car has no influence here.

      I do agree though that a human body traveling at 5MPH do carry way more momentum than many realize.

    • rumschlumpel@feddit.orgOP
      11·
      19 hours ago

      They actually did something similar with a bus (the large long distance type) when I was in school. Hard brake at walking speed, pretty brutal. IIRC the lesson was to brace against the back of the seat in front of you when there’s an imminent impact/brake event, though of course you usually don’t know beforehand.

      • Dasus@lemmy.world
        6·
        19 hours ago

        When I was doing my driving licence, here it’s mandatory to visit a a slick course before you get your licence. In summer it’s soap and oil or in the winter its ice and water.

        Anyway, they had this tiny rig. A car seat, but it’s on a rail, but the rail is only some 1m-1.5m (3-5ft) long, and on like a 5-15° angle, but it simulates a dead stop at like 10-20km/h or smth kinda low. And even that was pretty brutal.

        • Lka1988@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          6·
          19 hours ago

          That sounds wonderful. With the amount of total morons on the road today, this needs to be implemented in every US state.

          • Dasus@lemmy.world
            61·
            18 hours ago

            Having seen some videos of North Americans (sans some Alaskans and Canadians) driving in snow, I wholeheartedly agree.

            This is gonna come off as racist and sexist, but anyway, the day I was on the track, during winter, there was three of us in the car + the teacher. Me, my mate and a muslim woman who hadn’t lived in Finland for too long, and was from a theocratic and patriarchic society. When it was her turn, and the teacher eventually pulled the handbrake just to simulate her losing control… she let go of the wheel, placed her hands on her eyes and started screaming. But she got over it by the end of the day, so…

            • Lka1988@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              3·
              14 hours ago

              Oof. I feel for her. That fight/flight/freeze response can be really hard to override, especially given her background.

              I taught myself how to drive in the snow pretty soon after I got my license, in a 1991 FJ80 Land Cruiser with zero electronic aids. I figured out how to drift that pig through the whole church parking lot 😂, but being able to do that on my own was hugely beneficial to where I can now make my FWD cars perform better in the snow than most drivers here with 4WD. I just turn off traction control if it’s too hairy… Sometimes you need that wheelspin.

  • Sciaphobia@sh.itjust.works
    244·
    1 day ago

    I had someone once put their seatbelt on when I asked, and then took it off again once I was moving. So I pulled over and said to put it back on, and keep it on, or get ready for a long walk.

    The audacity of some people.

    • Miles O'Brien@startrek.websiteEnglish
      117·
      1 day ago

      I have sat for nearly 10 minutes while the unbelted person fumed mostly silently

      You get one chance to put it on before I pull the car over and put it in park. In this case I turned the car off, pulled out my headphones, and started watching Lord of the Rings on my phone.

      The best driver in the world can still get T-boned at an intersection or rear ended at a stop sign. I’m the one driving, you will abide by my safety rules. Take your own vehicle or ride the bus if you don’t want a seat belt.

      • kameecoding@lemmy.worldEnglish
        24·
        19 hours ago

        People really need to watch some crash videos with people without a seatbelt, you become a fucking projectile, I have seen one where two women are sitting in the back one without a belt and she slams really fucking hard into the other one that had a seatbelt, as in you can hear the head on head on contact.

        For frontal crashes if someone is sitting behind you without a seat belt, they will literally crush you to death above a certain speed.

  • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
    851·
    1 day ago

    “don’t commit two crimes at once”. I heard stories about a criminal gang getting caught red handed because they parked illegally. Imagine getting pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt just for them to find drugs

  • Trex202@lemmy.world
    812·
    1 day ago

    My car will YELL at us for not having a seat belt on. The faster we go, the louder the chime

    • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      201·
      20 hours ago

      They literally make and sell just, standalone seatbelt fasteners, with no attached seatbelt, to ‘solve’ this ‘problem’.

      IMO, anyone who owns one of those should have their liscense revoked, forever, full stop.

        • Lka1988@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          7·
          19 hours ago

          That’s actually how they are sold to maintain plausible deniability. Like how single roses in gas stations are sold in conveniently shaped glass containers. Or vape batteries being sold as “soldering irons” with a shitty soldering tip that doesn’t even work.

          Point: it’s not a bottle opener. It’s a seatbelt bypass from the start. There are valid use cases for having one, like in a shop setting; but the average dudebro having one is a major red flag.

      • Asidonhopo@lemmy.worldEnglish
        25·
        17 hours ago

        What if you have something heavy that you’ve put on the passenger seat and the car won’t shut up about it? Another useless safety feature that adds to the price of cars.

        • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          16·
          17 hours ago

          Put the seatbelt around it, click it in.

          If its that heavy, it can probably do some damage in say, a sudden stop or turn or collision… strap it in.

          This really is not that complicated.

          • Asidonhopo@lemmy.worldEnglish
            18·
            15 hours ago

            My laundry is not going to cause any danger with in-town driving, and the basket is too broad to put a belt around. It’s a stupid feature, but hey I’d be willing to get rid of airbags too so I imagine we are on opposite sides of the safety spectrum.

            Read just now that seat occupancy sensors are required in new vehicles, disgusting. Never buying a newer car, will be repairing my current one til it turns to dust.

            • Holytimes@sh.itjust.works
              1·
              1 hour ago

              Wow you dumb as shit. I would try to explain why but man last time I tried talking to shit my father called me an idiot and smacked me up side the head.

            • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              14·
              2 hours ago

              A car accidentally hits you, your laundry goes flying everywhere, now you are blind and recovery steer into a kid on a bike, because you can’t see her with your underwear over your eyes, that kid on the bike is dead now.

              Oh the basket has some kind of top latch or lid or way of closing? Cool, it stays as one solid thing and hits your arm and causes the lethal counter steer.

              You should not be allowed to drive a car.

              You are literally a perfect example of someone who is not mentally competent to be trusted with a half ton of steel and aluminum and plastic that can reach speeds of 60+ mph.

              Not that a 30mph collision isn’t easily capable of killing a person, much less a child.

              Also, if you had something heavy on your passenger seat, which was too big to get the belt around, but was safely secured in some other way?

              Just… click the belt in before you put that thing there.

              People like you are why I avoid driving as much as possible.

              You are literally lethally incompetent and irresponsible.

              I could just screenshot this conversation and post it to a FuckCars community.

              I repeat, your liscense should be revoked permanently, to protect the general public.

    • BenVimes@lemmy.ca
      30·
      1 day ago

      I have been the passenger in a vehicle where the driver didn’t wear their seatbelt, and they drove 30 minutes down the highway with the chime going. I think he may have been partway deaf due to using power tools without ear protection, but now we have two data points in a trend.

      Considering he was a smoker too, I wonder what his life is like now 15 years later.

    • SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de
      22·
      1 day ago

      The same people buy fake seatbelt clips to stop the warnings.

      At least they are mostly just endangering themselves, as long as they don’t turn into a projectile during a crash

    • fibojoly@sh.itjust.works
      91·
      1 day ago

      I had tires on my seats without seat belts last time. Fifteen fucking minutes of ringing. At least I know to put them tyres their seat belts on for next time, I can promise you that.

  • TheGiantKorean@lemmy.today
    55·
    1 day ago

    This is especially important with people in the back seat. I don’t care if thaw the law allows people to sit in the back seat without a seat belt on, you’re still wearing one. I don’t need a human meat missile taking my head off if we suddenly stop.

    • Baleine@jlai.lu
      548·
      1 day ago

      In civilized country (France), adults are responsible for their own security. You are only responsible for children to put their seatbelts on. Also what kind of condescending word is “civilized countries” just say the country you’re thinking about.

        • 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de
          5·
          22 hours ago

          Same even in the UK, and I think the UK and Germany are are the most likely in Europe to do random things like the US, so it sounds like it’s just their thing

        • unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth
          11·
          19 hours ago

          In Germany you’re also responsible for the safety of your passengers. If you get pulled over and someone in your car is not wearing a seat belt, you will get fined. You’re driving a multi-ton death machine, you’re responsible for taking care of the people in it.

          Also, someone not being buckled can be a danger for other people as well. Depending on the accident an unbuckled Person can become a projectile and severely injure or kill others.

          • optional@sh.itjust.works
            3·
            18 hours ago

            That’s absolutely not true. Just read the 🦆ing law. The fines can be found in BKatV, Anlage (zu §1 Absatz 1).

            Nr. 100 says “Vorgeschriebenen Sicherheitsgurt während der Fahrt nicht angelegt; 30€” which clearly states that YOU get fined for not wearing a seatbelt.

            Nowhere does it say anything about transporting someone else who isn’t wearing a seatbelt, except for children who are explicitly mentioned in Nr. 98 and 99: “Ein Kind mitgenommen ohne für die vorschriftsmäßige Sicherung zu sorgen”.

            Even if the clear language of Nr. 100 would have left any doubts, the fact that the numbers talking about children explicitly mentions transporting someone else shows that that’s not the case for grownups.

    • doingthestuff@lemy.lolEnglish
      296·
      23 hours ago

      I’m convinced there is no such thing as a civilized country at this point. The more “civilized” a country becomes, the more its people become smug arrogant assholes who are anything but civil.

  • Treczoks@lemmy.world
    29·
    1 day ago

    I once did a hard break when a passenger decides to unbuckle (without need) before we arrived at the destination.